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Some Rarely Seen Images Of The Vietnam War

October 1967. North Vietnam. A POW camp. See the American soldiers washing in the background as a NVA man guards them?

Cheerful North Vietnamese women cultivating paddy with guns slung around their shoulders. October 1967. And the Americans were fighting such motivated people.....

Weary American soldiers rest during the Battle of Dak To. November 1967. America was tired and sick of Vietnam.

February 1968. Battle of Hue. An American marine fires

February 1968. Battle of Hue. American soldier in action in the door-to-door fighting

American and South Vietnamese POW

1969. Shau Valley. Men from the 101st Airborne in action
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UNFORTUNATE SOLDIERS: VIETNAM WAR: Men Of ARVN: The South Vietnamese Soldiers

South Vietnam army soldiers after war
A South Vietnamese soldier handles a corpse. 1966 (Image by Christian Simonpietri)

These men were soldiers. They were unfortunate. They fought for a country that ceased to exist, gobbled up by a aggressive brethren. They fought for a regime that was dictatorial and unpopular. When America dumped South Vietnam and the communist North took over, no one shed any tears for these men of the ARVN (also called SVA- South Vietnamese Army). They lived and live in disgrace in Vietnam. Their situation is not dissimilar to the soldiers of Waffen SS. Only that the world forgot soldiers of a country called South Vietnam.


A South Vietnamese soldier with a American made M 16 rifle


South Vietnamese soldiers with arms seized from the North Vietnamese (NVA) soldiers
SVA soldiers with flags captured from the communist NVA



South Vietnamese soldiers defend a village during the Tet Offensive
South Vietnamese soldiers fighting on the streets of Saigon during the Tet Offensive in 1968.

A SVA soldiers takes an injured villager to safety. The regime was lousy but the SVA men came from the country and loved it

"Liberation" of Hue on Chinese New Year 1968 by by the NVA.  Thousands of people, army,  ARVN officers, the clergy. Catholics in Hue were killed, or buried alive.

BATTLE OF HUE


The Battle of Huế during 1968, was one of the bloodiest and longest battles of the Vietnam War (1959–1975). The Army of the Republic of Vietnam and three understrength U.S. Marine Corps battalions attacked and defeated more than 10,000 entrenched People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) and National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (NLF, also known as, Viet Cong) guerrilla forces. 

With the beginning of the Tet Offensive on January 30, 1968, the Vietnamese lunar New Year, large conventional American forces had been committed to combat upon Vietnamese soil for almost three years. Highway One passed through Hué and over the Perfume River (the river ran through the city dividing it into both northern and southern areas) creating an important supply line from the coastal city of Da Nang to the DMZ for the Allied forces. Hué was also a base for United States Navy supply boats.

The city, considering its value and its distance from the DMZ (only 50 kilometres (31 mi)), should have been well-defended, fortified, and prepared for any communist attack. However, the city had few fortifications and was poorly defended. The South Vietnamese Army and U.S. Army forces were completely unprepared when the North Vietnamese army and Viet Cong failed to observe the promised Tet Truce. Instead, the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese Army launched a massive assault throughout South Vietnam, attacking hundreds of military targets and population centers across the country, among them the city of Hué. 

The North Vietnamese forces rapidly occupied most of the city. Over the next month they were gradually driven out during intense house-to-house fighting led by the Marines. In the end, although the Allies declared a military victory, the city of Hue was virtually destroyed and more than 5000 civilians were killed, more of them executed by the PAVN and Viet Cong (according to the South Vietnamese government). The North Vietnamese forces lost an estimated 2,400 to 8,000 killed, while Allied forces lost 663 dead and 3,707 wounded. 

The tremendous losses negatively affected the American public's perception of the war and political support for the war began to wane.

Street in Saigon. 1968. South Vietnamese soldiers during the Tet Offensive.

Tan Son Nhut Air Base (1955–1975) was a Republic of Vietnam Air Force (VNAF) facility. It is located near the city of Saigon in southern Vietnam. The United States used it as a major base during the Vietnam War (1959–1975), stationing Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marine units there. Following the Fall of Saigon it was taken over as a Vietnam People's Air Force (VPAF) facility and remains in active use today.

SVA soldiers pass the corpses of Vietnamese people killed by the communists.
A SVA soldier looks after a wounded woman during the Tet Offensive
SVA soldiers with captured Vietcong. Propaganda? May be.

Former SVA men now POW escorted by a North Vietnamese soldier


THE FATE OF THE UNFORTUNATE SOLDIERS OF SOUTH VIETNAM

Once proud soldiers, they lived in utter poverty and disgrace under the new dispensation. They were soldiers. They were our allies against communism. They deserved better. They deserve the same respect as a American Vietnam Veteran.






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An Anonymous Vietnam Veteran Writes....

 The following are the words of an anonymous Vietnam Veteran who wrote in to the site. We thought it appropriate that these precious comments be published as a separate article....

As 19 yr. old Marine I was trained to kill the enemy and I will admit I had no reluctance to do so when we went out looking for them. Army units, not paratroopers or rangers,knew where to go to avoid contact.U.S. paratroopers and rangers of RVN area were highly motivated but VC and NVA would capture them but as a testimony has to how much smoke we put on their asses, they had bounties on our heads and only started taking marine prisoners when they knew that politics would soon end U.S.involvement.In the 1st combined action group our kill ratio was 11 to 1.

When those piss and garlic smelling bastards would mutilated, brutally mutilate one of ours we played their game, "you want to play fuck around you fish head eating monkey's, we'll play fuck around!!" It was tit for tat that stopped their "animalistics". I never enjoyed killing and never bragged about it in later yrs.But what hurts the Vietnam Vet is that we had no business fighting people who were trying to rule their own land and take it from those as the french who just wanted their resources. Although we never thought we were fighting for freedom but for each others survival, "with my buddy I'm cool cause united we stand" and we never lost a battle and when they hit us we knew that they out numbered us and still wipe out the VC and the 95th NVA got to where they ran from us cause every time we met them their numbers got less and less, some would surrender for the B-52's out fear in them and once they got trapped between us and the ROK Blue Dragon marines, those Koreans put a hurt on them more then we did and many became Chu Hoi's (fight us no more and live and eat well) My guilt is not of killing their wounded for that's what they did to us or flayng them alive went we found one of ours like that but the poor peasants who were caught in the middle, who got their meager huts and food resources burned when we found enemy arms and food sashed If they didn't do it the VC would kill them, we just destroyed the little bit they had.

The thing about combat professionals we started off as rookies and out of necessity of survival we got to be efficient killers and in my heart although I never want to harm another in anger or war, I know that if there is no flight, I will kill before being killed. When I come to this site it makes that guilt go away, it reminds me that I never let myself turn into an animal for the love of harming and killing ass many of us did but not on the scale of these blood sucking raping Japanese swine or Hilters less than men butt boy SS pigs. If I had have been in my father's war after knowing what japan and Hitler was doing to people I would have loved the honor of sending them to hell. I would have gladly fought and killed these baby killing rapist. The fact that so many were pardoned makes me sick to my stomach.But when I see what they did I feel so much relief for only did what we had to do and rape, baby killing and torture was beneath us.

Thank you Jesus!!
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AMAZING VIDEO: Napalm attack on Vietnamese villagers

In the clip below is shown Vietnamese children burnt by Napalm bomb, dropped mistakenly by South Vietnamese planes on a village near Saigon. Gruesome stuff.

I wonder how could some one make such a stupid mistake.

The Vietnamese villagers suffered for no fault of theirs. The poor old lady running around clutching that little boy in her arms, probably dead. Who is responsible. That stupid South Vietnamese pilot? Or the US? May be the US was fighting for a noble cause. Spreading democracy. But why should that poor Vietnamese villagers suffer? They did not ask for it. It is the always the common people who suffer.

Sad.

THE NAPALM ATTACK: PERSONAL ACCOUNT

Vietnamese photographer Nick Ut describes the day in June 1972 when he photographed a nine-year-old girl, Kim Phuc, fleeing her village after a napalm attack - a picture that won him a Pulitzer prize.

The picture shows Kim, when her skin is burned so badly.

Behind Kim, you see all the South Vietnamese armies running with her, together.

And next to Kim, her older brother and one young brother looking back to the black smoke, and another two [members of] her family.

She looked ever so bad - I thought that she would die.

You know, I had been outside the village that morning and I took a lot of pictures. I was almost leaving the village when I saw two aeroplanes.

The first dropped four bombs and the second aeroplane dropped another four napalm [bombs].

Water

And five minutes later, I saw people running, calling "Help! Please help!"

Listen to Nick Ut
As soon as she saw me, she said: "I want some water, I'm too hot, too hot," - in Vietnamese, "Nong qua, nong qua!"

And she wanted something to drink. I got her some water. She drank it and I told her I would help her.

I picked up Kim and took her to my car. I ran up about 10 miles to Cu Chi hospital, to try to save her life.

At the hospital, there were so many Vietnamese people - soldiers were dying there. They didn't care about the children.

Then I told them: "I am a media reporter, please help her, I don't want her to die."

And the people helped her right away.

Source: BBC


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AMAZING! VIETNAM WAR: Tet Offensive

AMAZING....



THE CLASSIC IMAGE THAT IS SYNONYMOUS WITH THE VIETNAM WAR AND EPITOMISES WHAT WENT WRONG
On February 1, 1968--during the Tet Offensive--General Nguyen Ngoc Loan, director of South Vietnam's national police force, executed a Viet Cong prisoner on the streets of Saigon.



The Tet Offensive saw the North Vietnamese change their tactics in their war against the SVA and America. The Tet Offensive witnessed a huge conventional attack by the North. Every year on the last day of January, the Vietnamese pay tribute to their ancestors. The Tet New Year is a very important day for the Vietnamese and nearly all-normal day-to-day activities stop to allow those who can the opportunity to celebrate the lives of their ancestors.





In January 1968, the NLF had brought forward Tet by two days. On January 31st 70,000 NLF soldiers attacked over 100 targets, including the capital in the South, Saigon.

The Americans had been fighting classic guerrilla tactics since 1965. Though the US had faced a number of conventional attacks in late 1967, most US military thinking was still oriented around the concept of guerrilla warfare. Therefore the Tet Offensive took them by surprise, especially the sheer scale of it.


The US Embassy in Saigon was attacked and a few members of the NLF got into the embassy compound. Five US Marines were killed but the attack was repulsed. The NLF also captured the main radio station in Saigon, which acted as a major shock to US morale. Though the station was only occupied for a few hours, it showed to the US military that they were not just dealing with a ramshackle army of amateurs.



However, in military terms, the US could claim victory in the Tet Offensive. The North Vietnamese could not afford major losses in terms of manpower. During the Tet Offensive the NLF lost 37,000 soldiers while the US lost 2,500 men. Yet the Tet Offensive was a major blow to US military pride. In late 1967 the US had been told by General Westmoreland that the NLF had taken such heavy losses in open combat that they would be incapable of maintaining any military momentum in 1968. Yet during the Tet Offensive the NLF had entered the US Embassy and occupied the main radio station for three hours before being repulsed.



The impact of the Tet Offensive is difficult to gauge. The NLF and the government in North Vietnam would have played heavily on their successes in Saigon – the very heart of US influence. Yet their losses would have had a major impact of their ability to fight. The impact of the Tet Offensive on America was stark. President Johnson was told by his advisors that the war could not be won and he was advised to negotiate a withdrawal from the region. In late 1968, Johnson announced to the US people that he intended to seek a negotiated peace settlement in Vietnam.
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AMAZING! VIETNAM WAR IN BRIEF


American agression! Tan Dinh Island, Mekong Delta, Vietnam, 1965 (Image by Huynh Thanh My)

The war that was fought in South Vietnam was unlike any other experienced by American forces up to that time. Whereas the Korean War had been to all intents a conventional war on the ground, the war in South Vietnam became a “war with no front” where guerrilla fighters could not be distinguished from the local populace who might, in fact, have been guerrilla fighters. The US found itself at war with an enemy that could disappear within minutes of an attack, one that might appear at any moment on a patrol or not at all. All this was very debilitating for any US soldier out on patrol and was used to explain why massacres of innocents did take place such as the one at My Lai in 1968.

(Image: Terry Fincher) American soldiers in Vietnam. 1968






The NLF had learnt its tactics from the Chinese Communists who had perfected the art of guerrilla warfare against both the forces of Chiag Kai-shek and during World War Two against the Japanese. Mao Zedong had specifically explained to his followers that there was a two-fold approach to guerrilla warfare – fighting the enemy and befriending the local population to get their acceptance and support. There can be little doubt that the North Vietnamese succeeded in the latter as President Kennedy acknowledged in the early days of the Vietnam War that large areas of South Vietnam were sympathetic to the NLF and that guerrillas in the South were willing to fight with the NLF to defeat the Americans.



The South became a classic fighting ground for guerrilla warfare. The jungles or the river deltas such as the Mekong gave the guerrillas fighting for the North huge advantages over the Americans. US patrols were under constant psychological pressure that each step might be the last for a young US soldier. Known patrol routes were ridden with booby traps such as the infamous ‘Bouncing Betty’ or the punji traps that were found by the thousand on routes used by the US military. Known patrol routes could be booby trapped with the aforementioned punji traps or trip wires attached to a grenade or mined etc. Whatever was used, it had a debilitating impact on many US soldiers. What could not be known was if a patrol route was, in fact, booby-trapped. Many were not – but American patrols were not to know this. Guerrilla warfare was such that the unknown was often more difficult to handle than the known.



The VC and NLF also had the major added advantage of knowing the lay of their land. This meant that they had the knowledge to build, for example, 250 kilometres of tunnels in the South safe in the knowledge that some might be found but the majority would be functional to the detriment of the US.

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Initially the American strategy to countering the NLF and VC was to build a system of heavily fortified supply bases from which patrols could operate. These patrols were frequently sent out near to the Ho Chi Minh Trail to disrupt movement along it. Khe Sanh was one such base. Heavily protected around the perimeter and capable of being supplied by air, it acted as a base for patrols near to the 17th Parallel. These large bases also acted as supply bases for smaller strongholds located away from the likes of Khe Sanh. However, these bases had one major disadvantage – they were static and open to attack. At Khe Sanh, for example, the North Vietnamese were quite capable of getting to the outer perimeters of the base seemingly at will.



US troops were expected to patrol in towns, villages, delta regions, paddy fields that were found throughout the South and in jungles and the bush. The climate alone could be a major drain on a soldier’s physical capabilities let alone the fact that he was searching for an enemy.

“It is a terrible country for fighting. The jungle trees and vines that cover the sharp ridges and deep valleys in the mountains make military movement difficult.”

“The heat and rain and insects were almost worse than the enemy. Drenched in sweat, the men waded through flooded paddies and plantations, stopping from time to time to pick leeches out of their boots.” (S. Karnow)



The US used armoured personnel carriers where they could but this was not always easy in South Vietnam. The M1 13 could travel in water as well as on land and it gave good protection to those it carried – but ultimately it could not be used everywhere in South Vietnam.



The majority of US troop movement in South Vietnam was via helicopter. Helicopters allowed for the swift and accurate deployment of troops to where they were required. Helicopters were also used to remove the wounded from a battle zone. The very geography of South Vietnam made troop movement difficult at best and the easiest way to overcome this was to use helicopters. By the time American pulled out of South Vietnam, they had lost over 2,200 helicopters in battle.





Countless Vietnam War Veterans have recalled the sheer hostility of the environment they were required to fight in. This was combined with the knowledge that they were fighting what was effectively an unseen enemy.

“Without uniform, it is difficult to tell a Vietcong fighter from a loyal South Vietnamese (especially when the ‘loyal’ Vietnamese is a VC sympathiser).”

“You kill because that little SOB is doing his best to kill you and you desperately want to live, to go home, to get drunk or walk down the street on a date again.”
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Points To Ponder

WHY WAS THE FIGHTING ON THE RUSSIAN FRONT SO FIERCE DURING WW2?

It is difficult to distinguish between the quality of both the German and Russian soldiers. Both were motivated by their love for their motherland. But there were others factors that drove the two sides to such desperate fighting.

One, both sides knew that this was a no-holds bar war. Not fighting was thus not an option.

Second, both Hitler and Stalin had squads that killed any deserter. Turning away from fighting was just not possible.

Thus was seen some of the most bitter, brutal and desperate fighting on the WW2 eastern (Russian) Front.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-- George Santayana


Quotes....

"Be polite; write diplomatically; even in a declaration of war one observes the rules of politeness."
--Otto von Bismarck

"When the enemy advances, withdraw; when he stops, harass; when he tires, strike; when he retreats, pursue.'
--Mao Zedong

Quotes....

"The main thing is to make history, not to write it."
--Otto von Bismarck

"When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
--Winston Churchill

Quotes....

"In time of war the loudest patriots are the greatest profiteers."
--August Bebel

"God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best."
--Voltaire

Quotes about War....

"Anyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of a soldier dying on the battlefield will think hard before starting a war."
---Otto von Bismarck

Quotes....

"Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
--Hermann Goering

Quotes....

"To conquer the enemy without resorting to war is the most desirable. The highest form of generalship is to conquer the enemy by strategy."
--Tzu Sun

"All men are brothers, like the seas throughout the world; So why do winds and waves clash so fiercely everywhere?"
--Emperor Hirohito